The awkward moment when I realized I switched the actors for Sherlock and John.
Even though I don’t follow the show I still feel pretty bad.
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What China's Talking About Today: Is American Citizenship Still Desirable? →
I’m not buying this. From my experience, Chinese netizens online can be amazingly jingoistic about other countries but does this represent the average Chinese person? I have no idea because I’m not from China.
However, I can say:
- are the people scorning immigration eligible to immigrate in the first place?
- there’s often a gap between what people say(esp. online anons) and what they do in reality. Would they really turn down a chance to move to the U.S.?
I also don’t like the way mainlanders grouch about overseas Chinese. Grouch about the first gen immigrants if you like but please bear in mind that if we were born overseas or underage when we moved, it definitely wasn’t our choice.
It might appear that we were living sybaritic lives while China was poor but there’s a price to be paid. It can be anything from loss of culture/language/identity confusion to discrimination and even being the target of violence.
Reading these articles are fine, but like you said, don’t ‘buy’ everything from it. Afterall, they are the ones providing the quotes from selected users…it probably would be best to go to the actual site and search for yourself, if anything.
Personally, I never met a mainlander that grouch about overseas Chinese…so, it’s probably only a group of them that do, and not all. After all, many Chinese who choose to immigrate back then did so without much choice either. Who would want to go to a place they never seen before, without knowing whether they can even go back home alive or not? (Though that would apply mostly to the very first immigrants) The choice to immigrate is mainly the concern of one’s family wellbeing…I don’t think there is much that can be blamed for that reason.
I occasionally lurk on mainland forums and there are a lot of angry people who claim that anyone who left China is a traitor and if you’re born overseas, you’re the descendent of a traitor. They also say outrageous stuff like if overseas Chinese got beaten, bullied or even killed overseas, it serves them right for leaving China. According to them, if you give up Chinese citizenship you’re not “Chinese” anymore, have nothing to do with China and should stop calling yourself Chinese.
Take a look at these comments about the Chicago beating incident (before people found out the attackers were also mostly Chinese):
Take a look, the vanity of Chinese people wanting to emigrate abroad, serves them right for being beaten to death! Anyone with a bit of national pride would not go abroad. Foreigners think Chinese people are fools. Foreigners don’t dare to be so cocky in China unless they want to be beaten to death! Why I fucking JB hate the most are those ABCs! Think you’re so niubi, right? Go out and you’re just like a dog!
http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/videos/chicago-group-beating-of-asian-teen-chinese-netizen-reactions.html/comment-page-2#comments
I’ve seen even more rabid comments like this online.
What I want to know is whether the average person thinks like this in mainland or if it’s just the usual internet lunatic fringe.
I should give up reading mainland forums seriously, it’s not good for my mental health but it’s…addictive. Maybe I am a masochist :/
I think the fact that it’s on the net does have an effect… :’D Though of course, some of these opinions may be what the person really thinks. That comment is just one of the more extreme ones on there, and it’s not the majority, so I think it’s safe to assume only a few people in Mainland China think this way? If all those comments were like that, then that would be worrisome.
Also, I noticed a few comments about ‘ descendants of corrupted officials’ which would then relate directly to the government itself…I’m not sure, but it probably points out to people who have committed crimes while in the government and then immigrated to another country to save themselves. Anyways, those comments aren’t very intellectual since how would they know if they are a descendant of an corrupted official? But from that we can see why some have the mindset that immigrants are traitors. (Not that it’s a good reason, for the ratio of people who work in the government will always be alot less than regular citizens)
Based on personal experience, I would say an average person that lives in the mainland doesn’t think that all immigrants are traitors. When I went to the 2010 Expo in Shanghai, I remember a taxi driver saying that he wanted to apologize on behalf of the city, since we came all the way from another country to see this, and yet we have to line up beside everyone else who lives within minutes of the Expo. While I haven’t been to China alot, the times I was there I did not feel hostility… Besides, it’s a very extreme point of view. There are so many Chinese immigrants in comparison with other countries (seriously, there are Chinese people in almost every single country you can think of) how can every single one of them be a traitor?
One thing for sure though, China really does want to boost about what they have achieved now, what with all these tours especially made for overseas Chinese. For sure they want to show us, ‘look at our country now’.
I got my comments from another Chinese site, not the ones quoted by Chinasmack and practically all the remarks were very extreme. Or maybe the people in that forum tend to be fire-breathing nationalists.
Also, they were talking about people who migrated a long time ago, way before China was rich so it’s definitely not about the corrupted official/businessman issue which only applies to more recent mainland immigrants who migrated after they got rich from the economic boom. They were saying basically that you ran away because China was poor so you are a traitor, don’t bother to crawl back and say you are Chinese in the future etc.
What are these tours and how do you sign up for them? Who organizes them?
P.S. I just lost a follower. Maybe someone got frightened by my rantings :D Well, I think I need this tumblr as an outlet.
Ahh I see. That may be one reason, though I have no idea really, since I’ve never been on those sites. @_@ (And I can’t really, since I won’t be able to read. Sadness. OTL)
If it’s about people that immigrated long ago, then my reasoning for that is back in my first post. Many people didn’t actually want to immigrate…they just had no choice since China was so poor and there was no way they could feed so many people. So if they didn’t immigrate, their families wouldn’t be able to support themselves
and just probably die and then there’d be no descendants. Pfft. Getting off topic I guess.Honestly, I’m still wondering what kind of people would say these kinds of things….if they’re saying overseas Chinese people deserve it, then that means they’re agreeing to all the injustices done to them all over the world, and that it was right? The first example that comes to mind for me is head taxes. So they would say yes, that those Chinese people deserved it? Even people from other cultures saw it as an injustice, so if these Chinese people think it was just, then what does that make them? Or others, for the matter. Another incident that I can think of happened in Malaysia, where racial clashes were going on between the Malays and the Chinese (I believe there’s more than one though, but I’m not too sure). The Chinese government sent ships to pick up the Chinese people in Malaysia if they wished to leave. Even the government still considered these overseas Chinese to be their country’s citizens…
About the tours, I think it just depends on where you live? Cause where I am there’s definitely alot of Chinese, so various tour agencies (some are run by Chinese people as well) just set these kinds of tours up aimed toward the Chinese. You can try to look up tour agencies in your area, they might have some.
I don’t think you’re ranting that much… xD And it’s not like it doesn’t make sense. I wouldn’t worry about it. -v-/
Well, you play Chinese games so I assumed you could read Chinese pretty well. I’ve never played a Chinese RPG before.
It’s like they expected us to stay behind and starve together or something.
I don’t know. They seem to use overseas Chinese mainly as a point for their arguments. E.g. “China is weak so Chinese get bullied overseas! We must become stronger so that we can teach foreigners a lesson.” However, they can turn around and say things like “Who asked you to run away from China? You’re just peasant scum who couldn’t survive here. Serve you right! Also, your country is anti-China (for Chinese from countries that have had international disputes with China).”
There was this crazy fenqing case involving singer Guang Liang. They can be quite unreasonable.
http://www.chinahush.com/2010/04/22/talk-about-fenqing-start-with-michael-wongs-renren-page/
Did the PRC government ever send a ship to Malaysia? I don’t know. I know there was a big anti-Chinese riot in the past there(forgot the date).
But I know they did send a ship to Indonesia to pick up people in the 1960s anti-Chinese riot. Maybe you mean Indonesia? Some of the people accepted the offer to go back to China but they had trouble adapting. Some of them had been away for generations and couldn’t speak Chinese anymore. Also, China was in the hardcore Communist stage and they got caught up in the political turmoil because they were “foreign” capitalists.
This writer’s grandfather was one of those who returned but the family finally settled in the US I think.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123689227002811567.html
I read that some of them eventually moved to Hong Kong and some of them are still stuck in Hong Kong. The rest migrated to the West, especially Netherlands (Indonesia was colonized by the Dutch).
There was another big anti-Chinese riot in 1998 but the PRC did not send a ship this time. In fact, they didn’t do much though Chinese were being raped, killed and had their properties burned/looted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_riots_of_May_1998
Even after all that, PRC is still friendly with Indonesia because Indonesia has resources and development potential.PRC has given Indonesia aid before.
PRC will evacuate people who are citizens but they have a policy of “non-interference” with foreign countries’ internal affairs so if you have changed your citizenship to a foreign one, you’re on your own :( No one cares. No one will help you. (T T) It seems that a lot of Chinese don’t know about anti-Chinese riots in other countries too.
Dynasty Warriors? It’s not a Chinese game, it’s Japanese. xD Koei are the ones that produced it, a Japanese game company. When they bring it over to North America they then dub it in English so…that’s how I can read it. :’D
So there is a term for these people eh? Were those previous comments made from them as well? If so, then it seems to mainly be internet culture (though these youths probably feel the same regardless on the net or not, it’s just less likely they’d say it to someone’s face). But from the information presented from that article, I can assume that it’s again, just a specific group of people that thinks in that way and not an average citizen. I hope so anyways. And honestly, this is the first time I’ve heard of this so…perhaps I’m just being optimistic? Maybe in the future I’d encounter someone like that.
I was told it was Malaysia, but maybe it was Indonesia instead. After being picked up and having difficulty living in China again isn’t surprising. It is a different environment and place afterall. Not sure about how they were treated back in the country really. What I can say about that article is that it doesn’t seem very in-depth (Of course, it’s an opinion article, I suppose it doesn’t need to be. It does leave me wondering why the author wrote certain things though). And also looking at the publisher, I then know why that article is there (that may be my opinion though).
That other riot seems to have been triggered from issues around the government right? But then it somehow turned into anti-Chinese riot (I didn’t read the whole thing, so I don’t know how it turned out like that. Maybe cause alot of Chinese people had big businesses there and they felt they had a hand in the whole thing?) It would have been nice if they did more about it. I can’t really say much, since I don’t understand the situation, but when I think about my own country and how they pick up their citizens…I facepalm. What can I say. :’D
Even though those kinds of incidents happen, it doesn’t stop governments from being friendly with one another. China certainly isn’t the only one that does this. Afterall, if there are benefits, then why wouldn’t they? (Benefits though, may be subjective, really depends on the situation) And countries helping one another, I don’t think it’s a bad thing, no matter what has happened between them and their people.
The non-interference thing, I think that is pretty standard for many countries. United States definitely interferes with other country’s matters though (They are the example I know from the top of my head). Both can be seen as a good thing or bad thing, depending on how you look at it. About citizenship..it’s kinda difficult. Since there’s a whole official document thing going on…I mean..culture and politics can be quite different.
This reminds me of something…I think one reason why some Chinese people may feel very nationalistic is because of all the bashing China receives. This is my opinion though, but from what I see…that’s the way it is. Many other countries don’t do much for their citizens, they can’t, maybe they even did the same thing as China, etc. but they don’t get the same type of attention or criticism because it’s not in many people’s agenda. So while people criticize China for all the crap they’ve done or may have done (I really can’t tell if it’s true or not most of the time), many other countries may be doing the same thing or something. Not that it’s right to compare it like that, but it just makes me think about why China is always criticized so harshly.
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It used to be that I could draw girls and not guys
now i have spent so much time drawing guys it’s the other way around
I feel ya. XD It’s the same with me. :’D
(Source: senorvantas, via lupeh)
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Little Girl
Spoiler Warning (?): If you haven’t played Dynasty Warriors 7 Xtreme Legends, specifically Xiao Qiao’s legendary battle, then this might be abit spoilerish.
Now onward~!
AAAAAAAAAAAAH SO PRETTY
Thank you~ ;u;
(Source: dreaming-baka.deviantart.com)
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If I could go back in time…
…the thing I want to do most is to punch my past self in the face. 8D
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